I spent a great deal of time looking at wheels, tires, and hubs. My first priority was the wheel look and sizing. I looked at new, auctions sites, Craig’s list, etc way more than I care to admit. The lug pattern and hub was the ultimate result of the wheel selection. 4on4 7w x10x10 with 4/3 offset front and 4 on 110 10w x10x10 with 4/6 off set. I paid slightly more for the front rims, but less for tires. But no more cost than plain ol steel. My Wheel choice will make more sense with a pic,
. So I’m not got to say one is better than the other but disagree that they are cheaper, more available, or easier. When you look at atv wheel sets, they come in several metric patterns and a lot of times different front to back. 4x110 isn’t even an overwhelming share of that market imo. Most atv wheels I saw were sold in pairs for this reason unless matched for models by vendors. The biggest problem I had was the small 10mm lug bolts, large center cut, and rarity of tapered lugs in 10x1.25. More on my kart in another post. Yes cheap tapered lock washer things are out there. Golf carts are almost exclusively 4on4 and are a great option for 8-10-12-14 diameters at any budget. Full sets with tires under 200 are out there and leaves room for hubs. Although those looking for max tire size may have different feelings about 4on4. I happen to prefer a lower profile tire for looks and performance. They are more prevalent in stylized wheels and maybe even in painted steel or spun aluminum styles-especially when you throw in one of 4 different metric options. I imagine if I were a vendor one lug pattern would make since for all, but manufacturers like apple like to cash in by making their’s different and exclusive-have to come to me decision, not based on you or me.
I had the option for tapered bearing, I took it. There is no such thing as a 4on4 disc brake hub made by anyone I’m aware of anywhere for anything. I don’t think my yerf will be facing a platoon of panzers, well, ever so I agree they wouldnt be a fail point with standard bearings. I’m kinda weird-I like maintenances, it’s the Hank Hill in me.
Standard are more user friendly in every way, except for performance. So much of what I’m doing is over kill- Mostly spending
You look at the “gold” type hub across all vendors, I see differences like you mentioned. They all say the same thing, listing multiple brand names as fitment. You even alluded to the manufacturing changes effecting kits and require user input to correct. Issues across all parts I know you put vastly more time than I have and I can’t offer a profitability opinion because I’ve never been in buy/sell model business. I can relate to shop time rates of small scale manufacturing. So do I think this is a big ticket item? Not yet...wait there is more
What takes this from maybe to worth your time? Either I just pay you for your time and materials, and that’s fine with me. For the investment part it would have to be a universal hub with multiple lug patterns in one, Atleast our two entrants but probably wouldn’t be much to add 4-115 for more flexibility. Then you drop the imports and sell only your hub. Let’s face it, the only reason to buy the kit from you is because you say it works, or loyalty. Similar kits and hubs are out their cheaper. There is only one BDX HD kit and one source. That made me do something I almost never do, shop on a new to me non major vendor web site to get what I want. We consumers like custom stuff! The center section of the bare hub core is available from Azusa I’m sure you could get a distributor pricing for more American parts. There are bare hub cores for standard bearings if preferred by you, not me. HD needs the HD’est stuff to be better than stock even at the risk of overkill. 4x110 owners wouldn’t prefer this over yours without tapered bearings, why would they? I think it makes them more desirable. Plus it would fit so many karts and they all would want your universal BDX HD universal disc brake hubs, anything with 5/8 spindles, even golf mods. Forget those user inputs to catch up because a new place made them slightly different this container. That’s the worse part of coverting any kart to front brakes-the hubs. You could package hubs and brakes with a premium kit option. Or a stand alone universal brake kit with hubs. Include your caliper bracket to be added over their 5/8 spindle. How many more hubs/brake kits would you sell if they fit almost everything? That hub makes every brake kit sold like it workable for almost any project. Or just an upgrade to upgrade. Bring any wheels.
What’s the break point for me? Cost is one concern, but I hate spending money twice more. I have your hub with a spacer option that will require machining to seat properly on both sides. Hubs and spacers +/- 200$. Machineshop $100+?? Anything else? So I’m 300 + in before I’ve bought brakes. Not to mention the $90 on hubs already spent. It’s not that I can’t spend that, but that I don’t want to spend it on that. Just feels like going sideways at best with a expensive patch. I’m mainly focused on critical functions right now, well critical is a loose term
I do want front brakes but with these issues I’ll just focus on other areas until i can work it out. I do have a local machine shop that’s done work for me on this project already so in that way I have access to anything. So don’t feel bad to tell me no, I will make it work when I get to it either way. And I’m a big boy
But I would dump it in your lap if you let me. I’m ready when you are for that.
I did want BDX first and take advantage your unique qualifications to handle this task. I know I’m reaching to find benefits for you, answers always no if you don’t ask. Plus everyone else zones out on me when I get technical in my house....
My quality concerns are more on hit or miss quality in general across all parts etc, not design. See Honda clones, some good ones, some bad-almost impossible to know. I believe they will stop it fine. I like the cost for a compete kit for what one caliper costs, but it is at the expense of quality imo. But I get it, I have to cut cost somewhere.
In general, I’m more a proponent of making things more universal or adaptive. I’m about halfway more toward your 250 project. Awesome, but not for the faint of heart to tackle. I don’t think I’ll ever tell anyone the real cost.
Thanks for your time to respond!
365-post coming you know I can post pics